Revit 2010 - Curtain Panel Pattern Based - Hexagons
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Software : Revit Architecture 2010
Description :In this Revit Architecture 2010 video we will create hexagon panels with the new pattern based curtain panel. We will not spend any time adding parameters. In an effort to keep the video short we focuses only on making the geometry and getting it to align properly. There will be a follow up video for adding parameters.
Topics Covered:
- Pattern Based Curtain Panels
- 3d Snapping
- Hexagon Pattern Template
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DesignReform.net by David Fano is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial 3.0 United States License.
Based on a work at designreform.net.
Here’s one for you! and it comes from a different Revit angle. It’s great that RA2010 can now create these sort of geometries, but, if you are a Revit Structure user, and you had to create a supporting structure for complex geometry like this, how would you do it?!
Looking at the reference points, it would be excellent if you could create nodes that you could snap structural member end points too, but in RST2010 these reference points only appear under the massing tools (as far as I can see) and if you create a conceptual mass, when you see the ‘mesh’ of the surface you can not snap onto the intersections!
Best guess, you’d need to place the structure in the panel family. Wonder if you can use structural members in a family… never tried. If you had to loft a profile along an edge instead would you still be able to use it in the analytical model?
Pretty awsome stuff. Just wondering how to get components that were added in the conceptual massing (and show up) into a project? When I load the concept mass into a project the components added don’t transfer with the massing geometry. Any suggestions?
I can`t undestand one thing - this is cool but… what next? How I`l get shape of every panel/glass, angles between them, and, yeah, structure. Will revit structure work whith that as an analytical model?
In response to Greg, I tried to nest structure into the conceptual mass and it wouldn’t load into the project. Any suggestions???
With regards to nesting RST into the mass, it won’t work as far as I can see, the only thing you could do is sweep the required structural profile along with your architectural component profile. But that means you wouldn’t get the analytical benefits from that. It’s tough one, Architects can do this cool stuff, but engineers will struggle to actually model the supporting structure for it!
Once again another cool video tutorial!!!!cheers for sharing Dave.
thx for your nice tuts. learning a lot.
one thing that concerns me…. exported some of the geometry from a previous tutorial from revit to max (fbx)…also one of these paneling vids, with the reference line driven geometry (cant remember the name right now, but you could adjust the panel depth and panel angle)…revit created a 50mb file ant there was a huge amount polys within the file, although i did keep to a low u and v span. anyway…freeform seems to work quite nicely on smaller structures, but somehow i have a slight feeling that it will becoma a pain in the ass when you start dealing with larger structures and driven geometry….max and maya perform as hell on my w500 (firegl, maya opengl, max directx), regeneration in revit is quite slow and directx in revit seems to suck a bit….have to experiment with rhino+grasshopper or digital project…
Thanks Dave! Not
too sure how this stuff makes it to Revit structures
The models do get bog quick
hello dave,, i am new to revit,,,so, can u please tell, how to fill the gaps that were left out on the edges of the panel(refering to this video)…thank u in advance…!!
@Adamya - hehe that was a little easier said than done
I have to think about it
Something that I have discovered is that you can’t attach the structure because it is still a mass. If you are trying to add a roof structure you have to make the roof by face, then it allows you to attach structure as usual.
hello! first of all thanks a lot for the tutorials!!! they are alll great!!! second… I wanted to know how can i duplicate the base grid (where the reference points are)? or maybe how can i subdivide the base grid to make possible more details for my pattern? I´m trying to make a complex pattern which is not possible by 5×5 base grid…
David GREAT
David, did you try to “Load into Project” this model??? because when i do that, the whole model it’s like, Crash, split, didn’t keep like in the family…, i can’t attach here an image so you can see it….
so am I
[...] well revit is used for interior designers also. You need to be experienced with revit to see its potential. Some say it is restrictive, but I disagree as long as you dont just stick to one method. Revit 2010 has much faster and flexible modelling capabilities now. I am pretty sure you could import from other programs and be able to still edit the forms. But Im not going to ruin this thread for revit watch design reform and that is just some breif tutorials on revit. use the conceptual massing tool (It was introduce recently to revit) I really like the new loft tool http://designreform.net/2009/04/20/r…ased-hexagons/ [...]
Thanks for the tutorials, they are a big help.
How would you go about creating a circular curtain panel similar to the Future Studios’ ‘Selfridges’ building in the UK?
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To avoid getting a “mess” when you load this model into a project, just uncheck the “Component Flip” square before you do that…..
Erland, the problem is, if i turn off the “Component Flip”, in the model I solve the “mess” but I have my elements turned in the wrong side…
thx david for all these superb tutorials!
Unfortunatly i noticed that it’s only conceptual massing which has these new R2010 feautures…
how can other part of the software interact-since cant change mass cathegories? how to make schedule?
That´s weird Typhoon ´cause I don´t have that issue. I´ve tried changing all parameter values, but everything remains the same when I load into the project, I mean, no issues at all. I think we can´t upload images here, so we can´t see what´s going on……
Typhoon,
I just posted a workaround to your problem here:
http://buildz.blogspot.com/2009/05/flip-flop-fly-apart-panels-workaround.html
The short answer is that you can solve your problem by using BOTH mirror AND flip parameters on your divided surface.
KRONZ, thanks for the post, i did reallize that a few days ago, i made several test with differents panels and shapes, NOT ALWAYS blow up even if I uncheck the “Flip and Mirror” parameters, I create some parameters in the panels and when i do that it works fine….
hey loved your website
love that you show all these new things about revit…………………………………………..
i was actually thinking if by any chance you could actually make a video of how you would go about taking a massing model done in revit 2010 (or rhino, or 3d max) to a project in revit 2010
(example ……a model of a building is done in conceptual massing in revit 2010 the put back into revit to start adding wall materials and all the floors plans )
Hi David,
About the framing: the frames of adjacent panels do overlap, or Revit is so smart to keep only one element.
This issue could be important for scheduling materials.
Also: I’ve tried to make panels that do not have the infill drawn ON the reference pattern, but with an offset, as per the frame width (like in real world). It doesn’t work anymore, the panels are not stretched. Any hints?
Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge!
Hey Dave
I saw this tutorial for AutoCad 2010 about free 3D modeling, how to bevel boxes.
you can se it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy9ZIqVE-jQ
Do revit 2010 have some sort of function to do the same? Or can you make a tutorial on how to do this?
Rasmus
sorry David
Has anyone tried scheduling pattern based curtain panels? I’ve set up a panel with a bunch shared instance parameters. When I create a massing in Revit and apply the panel, I can create a schedule that shows each panel, but none of the scheduled parameters seem to update properly. And they are also not editable in the schedule. (Even where these parameters would be independent of the underlying constrained pattern geometry.)
To create each panel you started with an hexagon pattern. is there any way to create a pattern other than the ones already build in.
Thanks
rb
@RB you would have to script that.
RB, what other patterns are you trying to make? The API does not access the patterning functionality, at least not to create new base patterns. However, you can break most patterns down into hexagonal, rectangular or other components with a little analysis.
Заметка вроде старая уже, но я только сегодня ее прочитал. Прикольно, что тут скажешь.
WOW111
hopin to get this stuff workn. been rakin my brain and ‘free time at work’ gettin the hex - or triangular panels into a curtain wall. but not managing too well— I guess ull use the volume @home to listen to instructions …
anways
will send feedbck abotu my success- none stories
Hi,
I love your tutorial, it’s very easy to follow and of course helpful
I’ve got only one question…. 1 - can I cut a round hole in this type of surface?
EXACTLY what I’ve been looking for! wow designreform! you just got yourself a new fan!
Hi
I want to ask a question. How can I insert image in this mode and trace over? I’ve trying but the insert image command is grayed out.
Thanks a lot and I appreciate your help in advance.
is it posible to modify each hex component inidividually through instance parameters?
When I go to load the hexagon into my project, it gives me 46 error message about view handling? WHat’s going on?
I am trying to view the video but it stops at 16 seconds….
weird…it works for me. Try refreshing your browser.
This video is exactly what i needed …but how do you fill in the gaps at the edge of the panels after the family is loaded??…would you please post another video too showing how to do that…plz plz…
This is amazing, but I hope you can upload how to edit the system family’s reference lines, so we can create our own grid patterns.
David, great tutorial, but you mentioned something about material parameters briefly in the video. Could you possibly elaborate on this?
Also, when you do give the panel a material in the panel editor will it stay with the mesh when brought into a project? I’ve tried and failed, but probably doing something wrong.
Cant follow it at all, next time try to explain which buttons you are pressing and where are they located…not everyone is pro or even mis level.
thanks
a question
I noticed that revit is maiking all the forms with different size
even if our panel family has the assigned size, applying it to the face it’s maiking panels with different dimensions
is there any way to crate a panel which constrains revit using only only onw size of panel??
it would be closer to the reality, when we want to produce it searially..
thnx
First of all, happy New Year and thanx for your tutorials!
I accomplished this tut so I tried to make my panel frames parametric, but I didnt make it. I realized that revit was unable to move a permanent radial dimension of a frame thickness as I was moving the corner point of a ref line. I got the message: “Cannot form radial dimension.” and “delete” and “cancel” options. How can I overcome this issue?
Thank you.
How to fill the gaps, that are left in the edges?
A question. I just followed the Curtain panel pattern based. but got lost when you loaded it… What do you load it into? Is it a family. what template was used to create it?
Tks…
Also, I have followed the Diamond curtain panel and done it all. Except that when I load it into a project, I cannot draw it like you do. Now in the properties, it preview the diamond that I created but will not draw. What am I doing wrong?
Tks.
CW
Thanks David. But i must say that Adamya Q is very relevant. What do you do with the sides panels. Or asked in a nother way: Can you exchange one panel with another type like you can in regular curtain grids?
The thing I can’t figure out is, once you create the curtain wall via pattern based and load it into the project. How do you get your project curtainwall to match the conceptual mass curtain wall? I’ve spent hours research and can’t find anything pass the step of loading the mass into the project. anyone know?
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I’ve got exactly the same problem as CADKID21 raised.
Once you load it into your project it renders completly different (i.e. not transparent) from your project curtainwall panels, even though I’ve applied the same material and the mass is switched off.
Anyone any ideas, David?
Regards Quickly
Running into the same issue… As I import the conceptual mass curtain wall into the project every thing looks great, except it’s all a mass. If I import the mass with divided surfaces, how can I make the curtain wall? Don’t want the mass in my project.
Thanks for the great videos!
Hello,
Firstly, thanks for superb tutorial.
My question is
Lets say I made a large curtain wall from hexes, and now I want to custom paint each hex: just to make a puzzle composition of three glass colors. How do you that? Because paint tool under modify section does not work on this “mass” type curtain wall made of custom panels.
Thanks!
Regards,
Mindaugas. Architecture student from Lithuania.
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Hi, I’m using Revit Architecture 2010. I would like to ask the bevel or fillet function in revit. I have created the trangle curtain panel, but I want the joint between glasses to become smooth, soft edge rather than sharp angle? how should I do? (just like trangle panel shown in the loading image during loading the Revit program when you double click the revit icon from your desktop)
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Thank you so much! your a life saver… finishing off a project and really needed to know how to make a frame in a panel system! Legend! Cheers, JB
hey david have you figured out how to fill in the gaps on that panel…the odd peaces? thank you