Revit 2010 - Pattern Based Curtain Panels
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Software : Revit Architecture 2010
Description :In this Revit Architecture 2010 video we will cover some basic surface modeling techniques. After that we’ll focus the attention on building custom pattern based curtain panels. I was asked in the comments if I could model the bridge from Cut and Paste completion at AU. After about 4 tries and a bunch of botched recording I think I found a good starting place. I’ll keep using that as a frame work to further explain the new curtain panels in the conceptual massing environment in future videos.
Topics Covered:
- Surfacing
- Pattern Based Curtain Panles
- Spline by Points
- Creating Points as Work Planes
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Thank you very much.
This answers some initial questions whether to start off the design process in the traditional 3ds max, Rhino/grasshopper or in Revit which has been used so far only for construction documentations.
awesome video - thanks david
question: is it possible to unfold geometry for fabrication?
@Pete - Thanks! It’s a start
@Theo Dore - Thanks! No you can’t unfold geometry in Revit. I think the bigger question is do you want to? So far my general stance on this has been Revit should do everything “ok” then i jump to a more specialized application when i need it. Up until recently i thought Revit would never need unfold. but…. I was at a clients office and they we doing an arced wall. Like one might do in cad they wanted a projected version to draw patterns on. That made sense. How adsk will do it, i have no idea, that’s not a trivia problem.
Back to fabrication… What i would like to see is really tight inter-op with Inventor. It already has some pretty cool unfolding features and they are getting better with every release. My position has been “use the tool that is best for the job” the old square peg round hole thing
Why no hexagonal family as it the original Cut&Paste? I imagine it might take too long for a video tutorial, probably also tricky to get a horizontal extrusion . . .
@kronz - little by little
I need more material for the next videos. And the hex’s were a bitch. I tried them first.
@David Fano - i see where you are coming from with this. does this mean that you actually (actively) use a revit / inventor combo? what other tools would you suggest?
my angle here is that I’ve been looking at GenerativeComponents, which however is somewhat too technical for my taste (or maybe I just should spend more time with it), yet revit 2010 seems very promising, given your latest videos.
on another note: is it possible to propagate an object of a given size (say a fixed size pane or whatever) across a variable curvature surface?
Amazing, I love it, thanks David…. MORE PLEASE….
Hello David,
Cool demonstration. Nice to see these kinds of tools in Revit. Based on the video, it seems that Revit’s display refresh slowed down significantly for a rather simple propagation of panels… can the laggy display be optimized through any visualization settings when using these new tools? Also, is it possible to create something similar to attractor points for parameter control?
I ve got a problem with the curtain panels. they are facing to the other side. I am not quite sure what i did wrong. How can I change it?
Dear, when you start conceptual modeling you select mass.rft template. I cant find it in my machine. I download revit 2010 from autodesk site and install. What is the problem in my PC. Could you please send this template to my mail?
jayanta@hilandcal.com
http://www.hilandcal.com
still can’t fix the direction of the panels. any ideas?
did you try the flip component in the properties of the curtain system? I cover that in the latest video.
thanks. that was the key to fix the problem.
David,
Congratulations. You are doing a fine work.
I didn´t saw you flex the two dimension parameters that you create. You only flexed the dimension of the grid. I tried to replicate the exercise, but the change of the angular parameter causes the oblique reference line to rotate by its middle and not by its start coincident with the reference point. If the oblique reference line rotates by its middle, the effect of the angle change not causes the effect intended.
The only way that I could resolve the problem was increasing the length of the oblique reference line so that its middle was coincident with the reference point.
But that shouldn’t be necessary. In a door family (old modeling process), is possible to use an angular parameter to rotate a reference line by its start coincident with the door-jamb.
is it possible to create my own pattern on the u v grid? Say in stead of an octagon pattern i define a pattern of ten corners?
Dear David
I want to thank you for the all tutorials you published on this site. It is a very nice.
I have a little problem on this tutorial, so please if you have time can you explain me
I have problem with making the panel angle parameter, it cannot keep the rotation point on the reference line. The point is continuously moving and that case it is not possible to make constrain order. I keep trying but it is worthless.
Can you explain why is this happening? Where I am making a mistake!?
Thanks
Hi David,
thanks for all the great videos.
I am working on making a curtain panel pattern family but for some reason I just can’t get the aligned dimension to snap to the end of the reference line like you do in the video. everytime i dimension the line, the dimension is not going along the length of the line. i can select the line and make the temporary dim permanent, which makes the dim go in the proper direction, but then it is dimensioning to both end points of the line, rather than the one end point and the adjacent reference line. this makes the parameter function not work properly. any clue as to why i can’t dimension properly? i can do everything else that you do in the video.
never mind…i figured it out…i just had to tab through until i sleceted the end of the line while i was dimensioning.
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David awesome video as usual. My boss has started us off on revit and i was a bit worried about its flexibility. but seems like its stolen the Digital project parametric model
it’s possible to give this surfaces any thickness? (e.g. extrude, offset…)
I had the same problem as Jose. You can’t change the angle parameter and keep the line intersecting the base line. It rotates about it’s center point. Is there some way to lock the end point of the line?
hello david,,can u please help me how u drew the reference plane at the start of this video…
Hey, cool tut man… I’m new to revit, and I would like to know what is the diferece between ref line and line. Ref line are not visible, they just exist to help modeling, mirroring, etc..?
I am coming here from the deep end and i was one of the alpha testers. it seems it’s almost a politcal will not allow revit 2010 to have the unfolding tool / utility. the strength of revit is it’s a great documentation tool and number of people can work on the same project at the same time. if we are treating revit as a design tool ( and i have absolutely no problem with that and i am happy with the new massing tool), then why are we not having the documentation capability as well? we could have done this in other associative platform and believe me, there are far more advance tools than what Rev 2010 can do. The premise of 2010 is that, it brings it’s exceptional documentation capacity to these kind of associative and procedural design and yet it CANNOT Unfold patterns. And most important it cannot DOCUMENT it! it is surprising that revit cannot document it’s own geometry! so why are we using this in the first place? why do designers have to jump to Inventor for unfolding purposes. In Generative Component you can design and Unfold your geometry. i was very happy with rev 2010 becuase i thought, at last a platform where you can design AND document such associative design with legacy revit documentation capacity. but then again i was wrong. Seriously, can any one tell me is there a policy of not allowing revit to have the unfolding tool?
How do you make a faced based component curved without sweeping it, so it will show up on schedules. Also, be able to increase the length of the object.
Hey Dave,
Well although this new pattern based panel has added a whole new dimension to modeling, i seem to be frustrating myself every time i go to model up a panel on my new project in RAC10. It’s not exactly to do with this question, but i was wondering if u can help me. Every time i load a pattern based panel in whether its rectangular, triangular or hexagonal it seems to come in real messy and overlapping or never line up, even if i change the no. of panels. I am trying to model up a wall like the one in the image below but it comes into the project messy. Any help would be appreciated thanks alot
woops forgot to add the link
http://www.arkitectrue.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/ren04.jpg
hi andy did u solve the lineup problem?? i had the same issue how can i solve this??
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Hello David,
I am following you on this beautiful tutorial. however i have this problem :
I draw the first vertical/skewed reference (the longer one) line and add an angular dim. to it and parametrize it. whenever i change the value of the pam. in “types”, the ref. line’s base point jerks out of the position and is no longer on the mid point of my panel edge. I tried a couple of pinnings and lockings, no luck, ant the weird is that i am exactly doing what you say and do.
regards
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Great video thanks - I actually came in to find out how to change the geometry of the curtain panel - but found it very interesting thanks
Dave i wish you could help us with this trouble,
the thing is that we create a kind of curtain wall
but with solid panels.. we can actually add doors and windows but the problem is when we add them in the middle of 2 panels
This is a bit odd. But for the life of me, I cannot get the Panel Depth dimension to work for me. I am using aligned to measure but it keeps showing 0′. I tried setting every plane and measuring between reference points (this doesn’t end up working since it turns the dimension into a constraint). What am I doing wrong? Quite frustrating.